Madhu
Jain in conversation with Amitava
Amitava’s
home, just off Bengali market in Delhi where he
lives with his wife, painter Mona Rai, is impeccable—an
aesthete’s delight. Uncluttered, it’s
almost minimalist, with its clean lines and subdued
tones. Even his studio is just-so, well pristine.
Yet, open a few drawers and you see, neatly put
away, the clutter of the world. Tiny, portable clutter
that is. For, the painter is an incorrigible collector—a
magpie who picks up whatever he fancies, wherever
he goes. Metro tickets, museum tickets, garment
labels, stamps, stickers, bits and pieces of various
civilizations during his globe-trotting days when
he worked for the Trade Fair Authority of India/
India Trade Promotion Organisation. The list of
Amitava’s private “collection”
is endless. These comprise his visual memory, his
personal alphabets. For the painter they also serve
as triggers to memory, universal and his own. A
large number of these “items” end up
in his works on paper, adding an element of mystery
and resonances of elsewhere.
Where
in all this is the artist? Amitava likes to punctuate
his conversation with quotes: he’s quite the
literary artist. Sartre, Camus, Fellini, Bengali poet
Jibanananda Das, amongst many others, crop up, as
does Epicurus, the ancient Greek philosopher whose
adage, “Live Hidden” appears to have had
an enduring influence on him. Amitava has applied
the Hellenistic philosopher’s advice to his
drawings and works on paper by incorporating his “found
objects” into them.
Art
historians use the word “assemblage” to
describe this method of putting together found objects
that was used by Picasso and Marcel Duchamp. It was
only later that the word itself slipped into the lexicon
of art after Jean Dubuffet titled his collages of
butterfly wings “Assemblages d’ empreintes”.
Assemblage, according to Amitava allows him to “remain
hidden”, because, as he says, “Art is
never a statement...it remains like that, an ever
growing object.”
The
artist likes to hide meanings—and perhaps the
man himself—in other ways. “Drawing by
elimination” is one such: it reveals and conceals
at the same time. He might begin by putting in various
elements, including what may be his personal hieroglyphs,
before inking them out with black ink. This creates
an illusion of memory-depths, adding a kind of instant-archeological
layering. One of the works in this exhibition alludes
to the artist-as-digger. The image of a strange hybrid—“a
caterpillar-human” as Amitava refers to it,
could be read as an artist digging the earth, digging
it for history. It could also be interpreted as the
attribution of the role of archeologist to the artist.
Spanning over three decades—from the 70’s
through the first few years of the new millennium—this
exhibition of over a hundred works on paper takes
us along on a journey of discovery with Amitava. Many
of the discoveries have been unexpected or accidental.
Sometimes, the material dictates the destination of
a drawing. For instance, the handmade khadi paper
the artist used in the mid 1970’s was not standardized.
Since the outcome was unpredictable, he was able to
play with chance.
The
alchemy that takes place in the creation of Amitava’s
drawings doesn’t take place on his palette.
Chances are it will all happen on the paper itself.
To be more precise, on the surfaces he chooses. He
has used many readymade materials, including expired
bromide paper and pages from magazines and newspapers.
In the 70’s and early 80’s he experimented
with the glossy surfaces of the propaganda material
that came in on planeloads from the former Soviet
Republic: he used pastels, inks and tried out various
techniques that would make the paper absorb the colours.
While
there were still remnants of forms in these works,
usually a solitary human being or a folksy animal
or a hybrid of the two, his appropriation of a few
pages of the British daily, Financial Times, when
he was in Cannes and Paris in 2002 (Sanjay Leela Bhansali’s
film Devdas was being screened at the time) produced
some interesting results. “I painted over it
and found a new visual language. Here I am not referring
to the human form but pure abstract work.”
More
recently during a visit to New York the drawing book
and the black permanent markers with very thick tips
he was given by the Gallery that had invited him produced
radically different work. Thick black lines morphed
into rather squiggly forms that look forebodingly
primordial—out of the swamp of the unconscious.
Talking about this, Amitava says: “I was on
the 42nd floor in Manhattan, upper Eastside. The condo
was in this concrete jungle, all vertical. The Gallery
gave me an odd-size drawing book—the shape was
long, and vertical. In these works some forms I feel
are tragic…and in a way life is both- tragic
and funny”.
Much
of Amitava’s oeuvre has mythical creatures that
seem to have sprung from the imagination: half-man,
half-animal or even half-angel (Lego-like men with
wings)—beings metamorphosing from one species
to another. However, there is child-like sense of
wonder that comes through in the drawings. Amitava
has conjured a world out of music, dreams and poetry,
as others before him.
Excerpts
from the Interview:
What
is, for you, the essential difference between drawing
and painting? Do you approach the two differently?
Is painting more premeditated?
Drawing
is a very intimate medium. When you paint you have
to organise your space, your materials. It becomes
a totally organizational proposition. Drawing involves
a different scale from that of painting. In drawing
there is no point of departure: I can start from a
corner or the centre. It comes naturally. In painting
you are conscious about the format before you begin.
Drawing is by itself a complete work of art. And I
feel it is not inferior to painting. I never try to
translate a drawing or a water colour into a painting.
Every medium has its own character. There is, however,
a relationship but it is manifested differently. Drawing
helps me develop a future language.
Some
of the markings in your works on paper have a doodle-like
quality about them…as if they were coming out
of the unconscious…
The
surrealist poet Andre Breton and painter André
Masson talked about automation—automatic writing
or automatic drawing. A camera can be manual and automatic.
Drawing in that sense is also automatic. For a writer
or a painter it may come naturally, not word by word.
Mason and Henri Michaux were conscious of this process.
They were consciously using this device of automation
in their works. For me it is not the same process.
I don’t wait for that moment to come. I remain
thoroughly conscious—and yet it starts playing
in my work as I draw or paint. When you approach your
drawing it is like an unknown journey where you really
don’t know where you are going: you are totally
blank about your arrival. When Picasso was asked what
he was going to paint he simply said “If I knew
before hand what I am going to do then what is the
use of doing it”
However,
there does appear to be a meditative quality in your
works on paper…
Drawing
for me is not meditation. My work is not of that nature,
certainly not of a spiritual nature. Kandinsky talked
about the “spiritual nature of art”. My
work is not about the spirit. When I start drawing
I feel more intimate with the paper. Painting is more
of a physical act whereas drawing is something else.
When you play a sitar—do chedkhani with the
string--it rebounds. When you touch pen to paper,
it rebounds. The ink gets activity.
Does this mean that when you finish a drawing
the end product may be very different from what you
had in mind when you started? In other words do you
surprise yourself?
Drawing
is more adventurous, like a journey to the unknown.
Many of my drawings are also like travelogues. Drawing
allows me to record or to document the local flavour
of a place during my travels--it adds a new image
or resonance to my works. My work is never programmed
even though it contains my reflections on life. The
artist’s journey should reflect his experience…It
should enable him to experience things differently.
I don’t experience violence politically, if
I can say that. I would say that my reactions take
place on a creative level. Take the first hand experience
of blood, of seeing blood flow, my reaction would
be more direct.
Can we talk about your childhood? Any experiences
at an impressionable age that you feel must have had
some bearing on you, both as an artist and as an individual?
Nature has played a very important role in my life
and work. I spent my childhood in Shimla. Our house
was below Lakar Bazaar. It had so many windows. We
could see all around us, with the mountains on the
left and vegetation everywhere. Birds used to fly
into the house. You see, it was situated at the level
of the birds. If you opened one or two windows the
birds came in. We used to chase them away, only to
free them later. One day a bird was troubling me so
much that I kept trying to catch it. And when I finally
I succeeded I held it so tightly that it died. This
made quite an impression on me. I was about seven
at the time.
Did
this childhood act that you obviously felt remorse
over influence your work as an artist?
Drawing
also acts as a memory. It takes you to your past,
makes you revisit it. Perhaps the bird incident led
me to work on animals. Perhaps, it gave me a love
for nature, for flora and fauna. There was a lot of
echo there, in our home in Shimla. I used to hear
the sound of the pine trees as the afternoon winds
blew through them. I could smell the wind laden with
the scent of pine. I think growing up in Shimla also
gave me a sense of space. At one time my work was
minimal, with lots of empty space.
Does
your relationship with space change according to your
environment?
Until
1969 my drawings and paintings were interior-based,
in a closed space as it were. It changed in the mid
70’s when I started teaching at Jamia Millia.
To get there I used to take the Ring Road. It was
very open on both sides at the time. There was a sense
of openness, with the wind, the sky and the open space--especially
in the mornings. The Shimla memories came back to
me at that time.
The
strokes on the paper in many of your drawings appear
to me to be arranged like a musical morse code. How
important is music in your life and work, and is there
a relationship between sound and image in your drawings?
I
was fond of classical music, both Hindustani and Western.
These days my leanings are towards a more pure form
of music like Dhrupad and, ancient chants like the
Gregorian or Vedic. When I heard Bach for the first
time it gave me the same connotation as Vedic mantras.
Both music and poetry played an important role in
my work.
Tagore
and Rabindra sangeet and all that?
No,
it was classical music and the world of books, Particularly
Jibanananda Das. Just the sounds in his poems. Some
of them take you back--to before time and into the
realm of abstract notion. On the other hand I am not
interested in stories, or even narration.
Critics
often describe your work as brooding, serious, existential
even. But I can’t help detecting a sense of
humour in some of the images in these drawings. There
is an element of playfulness in addition to all that
existential angst coming down to us from Sartre and
Camus?
(He
thinks for moment before a shy grin lights up his
rather serious face) Satyajit Ray’s father Sukumar
Roy wrote poems for children. He was one of the nonsense/limerick
poets. He wrote these nonsensical poems which were
published with his own illustrations. Some of the
figures were strange combinations---you could have
a character that had the characteristics of both a
frog and a donkey. It was a bit like Hieronymus Bosch,
with a little touch of Breugel. Or, Kafka with the
metamorphosing spider in a humourous sense. (At which
point he pulls out a drawing of an animal that could
be a goat or a horse or even a donkey.)
Can
we talk a little about the dark, brooding element
in your work. That sense of anomie, the existential
man tossed about in a chaotic universe?
Perhaps
there was more angst and struggle in the 70’s.
Anger or fear may be reflected in my work of that
time. See these gatherings of black. It could be angst.
I am not a narrative artist. My elements are manifested
in the gathering of the blacks. My wash drawings are
a play of water and ink. Wash drawings have to do
with how much ink and how much water you use. In traditional
Chinese wash drawings water and ink represent the
two aspects of male and female. My wash is done step
by step. And the last wash has more ink and less water.
I have done aquatints as well. It is a very fast process,
and the longer you keep them in the acid tray, the
blacker they become. In between you get numerous tones
of greys and blacks. That may also account for the
tragic, brooding and melancholic elements you refer
to.
Yes,
but there is something else going on here. Some sense
of foreboding…
It
could be in the use of colours—like my use of
red and black. These are the colours of agitation--the
gatherings of dark. Mood depicted through colour…during
a storm the trees appear to be agitating. Trees can
be scary: different images appear depending on the
timescale- night or day.
Can
we go back to that question of the unpredictable happening
in drawing—what you had not foreseen?
I
use different materials in my work, like labels, car
stickers, stamps and museum tickets—things that
I pick up during the course of my travels. The moment
they touch the paper the whole thing changes like
magic. It ceases to be that label, and becomes an
element of visual language. I call them works on paper—not
just drawings. I draw with a pen or pencil and explore
all kinds of materials that you come across today.
For example there are hundred types of pens—from
ball point to ink pen, from felt pens to gel pens.
These are available in a wide range of colours.
In
drawing you can’t correct anything, in painting
you can correct an element or a form. You can’t
go back in drawing and start again.
Can
you talk about the various materials and techniques
you have used over the years?
I
started making drawings as only drawings in a simple
sense. Later, I introduced different elements like
black ink, two different shades of inks or pen and
croquille. I began to use holder pens, followed by
handcrafted wooden pens and pencils of different grades
and colour. In the early 70’s I used to draw
with a pen. The whole process was one of elimination:
you build the forms with outlines and then start the
process of elimination by adding lines and more lines
and ultimately it becomes a black structure. In the
mid 70’s I began to use colour pencils and water
proof colour ink, combining them with oil pastels
and pencils. In the late 80’s and 90’s
assemblages appeared. These works were like travelogues.
For the last few years I have been using all kinds
of materials--colour pens, new brush pens, Japanese
tips, silver and gold metallic markers.
Which
artists’ drawings do you admire?
Leonardo da Vinci, Rembrandt, one hair-brush drawings
of Indian miniatures, Picasso, Klee, Brice Marden,
Jeram Patel, Ganesh Pyne, Laxma Goud, Arpita Singh
and Himmat Shah, to name a few.
But
I think that as far as drawing is concerned the art
scene is still in a state of adolescence. Drawing
is yet to be recognized as a complete and independent
work of art.